The folkloristics in the link require far more accessory investment from the core spiritual message than do the simple claims in the introduction, chapter headings and title. Faith unto salvation light or dark, freedom or bondage. May 01, 20 the old thick book of mormon institute manual had a quote from spencer w. The paper, hagoth and the polynesians, is reprinted as a chapter in the book of mormon. Hagoth and the polynesians parsons, robert e hagoth and the polynesians. The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Loveland in what amounts to an aside in the story of the book of mormon peoples, there is in the 63rd chapter of. Hadugoth book of mormon onramp general discussions. A great book for those interested in polynesian history and how it relates to the book of mormon and the bible. As has been previously noted, the mesoamerican guru, john l. Nephite and lamanite link to polynesia joseph smith. The lehite pn hagoth may plausibly derive from the hebrew haga he mused, devised. The book of mormon reports that an exceedingly curious man named hagoth went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship alma 63.
Is there any reference that tells where hagoth and his ships, referred. Scripture does not say that he captained a vessel or that he was an explorer or an adventurer, or that he led people. In that paper, brother parsons addressed the question of what happened to hagoth and the. The book of mormon reports that an exceedingly curious man. Hagoth and the polynesians encyclopedia of mormonism a basic view held in the church is that polynesians have ancestral connections with the book of mormon people who were descendants of abraham and that among them are heirs to the blessings promised abrahams descendants. President brigham young detailed the belief in a letter to king kamehameha v in 1865. Moreover, more modern authorities, that is authorities of the church, have cited hagoth as an ancestor of the polynesians. He then adds, the book of mormon itself, of course, says only that the man and his mates disappeared from the. Even if it wasnt true, the connection to the book of mormon was striking. Book of mormon article nephi and jacobs isles of the sea. In that paper, brother parsons addressed the question of what happened to hagoth and the lost ships mentioned in the 63rd chapter of alma. A primer for priesthood leadership types and shadows of deliverance in the book of mormon khirbet beit lei and the book of mormon january 19 1 nephi 810 come and partake of the fruit. This belief, at least in part, that polynesians are lamanites stems from the story of hagoth in the book of mormon.
Religious studies center, brigham young university. Is there any reference that tells where hagoth and his ships, referred to in alma 63, went. The story of hagoth is recorded in just six verses 49 of alma 63. The belief that polynesian ancestry includes book of mormon people can be traced back at least to 1851, when george q. Hagoth and a group of nephites leave zarahemla and travel north. Many members of the lds church in polynesia have come to believe that hagoth is their ancestor. He and his followers are mentioned in four verses in alma 63. Simply put, the book of mormon is not about hagoth in europe or his testimony of christ, nor about his role as a witnessing father to the lamanite remnant, jew, or gentile. Theres a lot of backstory behind this question, which will go unstated and misunderstood if we dont mention it up front. Hagoth eventually built even more ships and many people set sail in these vessels toward the land northward. In addition, as we have reported numerous times, some church leaders and scholars have stated that the people of the pacific islands, including hawaii, polynesia and new zealand, are descendants of the nephites robert e. Hagoth and the unsealed portion of the plates reddit. Alma, the testimony of the word, religious studies.
Parsons, hagoth and the polynesians, in the book of mormon. Interesting book of mormon history, correlations, etc. In the book of mormon, 2 nephi 4, father lehi blessed the. According to the book of mormon, hagoth was a nephite ship builder who lived in or around 55. Is there any reference that tells where hagoth and his. Loveland i n what amounts to an aside in the story of the book of mormon peoples, there is in the 63rd chapter of alma a brief reference to a curious man named hagoth. Time to reevaluate descendants of hagoth lehites lamanites like with bla, hagoth, lds, lds. I see other cryptic accounts in the book of mormon that cause the same. This episode helps establish that the scattering of israel was taking place even among the nephites. Hagoth and his shipbuilding accomplishments are briefly described in the book of alma in the book of mormon.
Cleon skousen, treasures from the book of mormon, vol. Polynesians book of mormon notes how deep can you dig. According to the book of mormon, the nephites were descendants of israel. Do mormons believe polynesians are descended from hagoth. Hagoths ships sailed up the coast of the west sea, and we do have some linguistic evidence of nephites in california brian stubbs. The border by the west sea is where nephi and lehi and their party landed. Mormon folklore links the book of mormon sailor hagoth descendant of lehi who lived in 54 bc, with the colonization of the pacific. Jun 15, 2015 the maori descendants of hagoth, a book of mormon people. Book of mormon, book of mormon article nephi and jacobs isles of the sea others versus modern prophets hagoth and polynesians. The story of hagoth in the book of mormon, a nephite who built several ships and sailed away with a large group of nephites alma 63. Some mormon leaders believe that the people in the pacific islands are possibly of nephitelamanite lineage. Aug 23, 2016 the book of mormon reports that an exceedingly curious man named hagoth went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship alma 63. But then as i researched i saw a bunch of stuff on polynesians and not micronesians. Sperry, book of mormon compendium, deseret book co.
Instead of being the principal ancestors of american indians, lamanites are nowamong the ancestors of the american indians. Nov 26, 2004 hagoth has been presumed by some to be the hawaii loa of hawaiian traditions, and a book of mormon and american ancestor of the polynesian people. Several have stated that the polynesians are descendants of lehi, but we. So besides the fact that your idea that polynesiannative american hybrids sailed west from the americas is outside of the scientific consensus the timeline for when polynesians made. Book of mormonlamanitesrelationship to polynesiansare. As the modern lds church tries to shore up belief in the prophet joseph smith and his special powers of translation, it continues to try to argue for something more than a.
The original phrase and the changes are noted in red and bold for emphasisin the introduction to the book of mormon the second paragraph reads. Cannon taught it as a missionary in hawaii he was later a counselor in the first presidency. Kimball affirming that the maoris were descendants of hagoth. Many statements have been made by presidents of the church and members of the twelve apostles in regard to their belief that the polynesian people originated from lehis american colony. Book of mormonlamanitesrelationship to polynesiansare they. Hagoth has been presumed by some to be the hawaii loa of hawaiian traditions, and a book of mormon and american ancestor of the polynesian people. Mormons believe that polynesians are a branch of the house of israel that sprouted from the descendants of lehi, an israelite who the book of mormon claims sailed to the americas in 600bc. Is the israelite lehi the father of the polynesians. It will not thoroughly examine the current or past theories of the origin of the polynesians, but concentrate on the book of mormon account and supplementary interpretations that have led to the traditional beliefs. Although the relationship between the polynesian peoples and the adventurer hagoth see alma 63. Hagoth believed to be link between polynesia and peoples of. Most still do and of course the church has invested a ton of money in exploiting this connection. She also notes that many maori converts were unwilling to forsake their own healing traditions for the laying on.
The maori descendants of hagoth, a book of mormon people. The book of mormon does not tell us that hagoth was on board any of the ships that were lost. Hagoth is the only book of mormon reference to which the evidence may be connected. If hagoth seems to have departed the narrative at this point in the story of the book of mormon, he came back, and he didnt come back alone. Certainly there is much evidence of a connection between some of the polynesians and the book of mormon peoples. Polynesians are descendants of lehi and blood relatives of the american indians.
Indeed, the ships of hagoth have born significant freight. The uncertainty concerning the final destination of hagoths voyagers has captured the attention of book of mormon readers for generations. Book of mormon article nephi and jacobs isles of the. But these writers are appropriately guarded in reporting their surmise about the fate of hagoth and his company and righty qualify their theory with such terms as probable, possibility, matter of conjecture, and tradition. Maxwell institute for religious scholarship, 20, 67, 358360, 630631, for a proposal of possible ship constructions as well as hagoths departure location. A primer for priesthood leadership types and shadows of deliverance in the book of. You will find this subject is already active in the book of mormon board. There is a lot of interchange going on, not all of which, and maybe not most of which, need be attributed to hagoth. You will find that most things are already being discussed. Jan, 2012 mormons believe that polynesians are a branch of the house of israel that sprouted from the descendants of lehi, an israelite who the book of mormon claims sailed to the americas in 600bc. Maori traditions and the mormon church the church of.
Mormon maori prophecies and apostasy by common consent, a. Alma, the testimony of the word, edited by monte s. You cant, along with many other unsolvable issues the heartland theory brings up. Interestingly enough, this book has an incredible amount of connections to the book of mormon and lds doctrine while nowhere in the book or website does it specifically make a case of connection or outreach to members of the church. This belief, at least in part, stems from the story of hagoth in the book of mormon, who built. Furthermore hagoth per the book of mormon timeline lived around 55 bce but contacts between polynesians and native americans are dated between 700 ce and 0 ce. What about the lds tradition that hagoth, the nephite shipbuilder who failed to return home as an ancestor to the polynesians. In what amounts to an aside in the story of the book of mormon peoples, there is in the 63rd chapter of.
Alma the testimony of the word, published by byus religious studies center. The author delves deep into the traditions and customs of the different polynesian cultures and compares those to the book of mormon. Latterday saints believe that groups such as these became the ancestors. The book of mormon records that the nephite civilization expanded into the. Jan 24, 2019 in addition, as we have reported numerous times, some church leaders and scholars have stated that the people of the pacific islands, including hawaii, polynesia and new zealand, are descendants of the nephites robert e. Please do conduct a search before posting new topics. A basic view held in the church is that polynesians have ancestral connections with the book of mormon people who were descendants of abraham and that. Enhancing book of mormon themes through contrasts the book of mormon. While this ship was gone, hagoth built other ships. A great answer to the great question january 612 1 nephi 17 i will go and do lehi and nephi. Religious studies center, brigham young university, 1992.
For all we can tell, the skilled hagoth s main objective was to profit from the shipping industry. Her book points out that these prophecies were not universally accepted as referring to the mormon faith. And it came to pass that hagoth, he being an exceedingly curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship, on the borders of the land. Hagoth and the polynesians religious studies center. Jul 02, 2017 simply put, the book of mormon is not about hagoth in europe or his testimony of christ, nor about his role as a witnessing father to the lamanite remnant, jew, or gentile. Many latterday prophets and apostles have stated that the inhabitants of the islands of the pacific are considered to be lamanites. Leading experts of the early americas disavow the historicity of the book of mormon narrative. Some mormon leaders believe that the people in the pacific. Alma, the testimony of the word in the book of mormon symposium series, edited by monte s. Mormon maori prophecies and apostasy by common consent.
Religious studies center, brigham young university, 1992, 24962. As the modern lds church tries to shore up belief in the prophet joseph smith and his special powers of translation, it continues to try to argue for something more than a fictional narrative for the book of mormon. Loveland in what amounts to an aside in the story of the book of mormon peoples, there is in the 63rd chapter of alma a brief reference to a curious man named hagoth. An ancient american book salt lake city and provo, ut. And it came to pass that hagoth, he being an exceedingly curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large. They took food and supplies and were never heard from again. He is said to have built ships and sailed into the pacific ocean from the americas. Nephite and lamanite link to polynesia joseph smith foundation. According to the book of mormon, hagoth was a nephite explorer.